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Post by nadalama on Dec 5, 2017 20:19:29 GMT
Hope you folks don't mind if I lurk and follow along. The discussion is over my head, but I'm sure there's a bit to be learned here.  |
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Post by David on Dec 6, 2017 0:35:35 GMT
The more the merrier I say Jane...
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Post by David on Dec 8, 2017 23:16:45 GMT
This thread appears to have stalled..
It would be nice to see it revived..
if that be at all possible.
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Post by Hercules on Dec 9, 2017 10:52:41 GMT
Keith became indisposed so the thread died. I did have plenty more to say.
Do you know about the archetypes David?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 16:11:07 GMT
In my twenties, I used tons of drugs to gain access to different levels of consciousness and sometimes...to the subconscious. This was after I'd read Nietzsche, Kant, Schopenhauer, Sarte, Camus, etc. I say "read" rather than "studied" because I'd never concentrate on retention. Instead, I relied on my subconscious to perform that chore. It fits my archetype. I then discovered Astrology. This whole thing developed into something of a symbiotic relationship between my...selves.
I think psychosis develops when the conscious is overwhelmed by subconscious perceptions. We see, but cannot interpret the imagery, and withdraw. The subconscious gains actual control over some of our most critical functioning and madness follows...till our (conscious) will can prevail. We need our subconscious to do that. Inter-self communication requires manipulation and correct interpretation of both conscious and subliminal symbolism. Dreams are one channel...there are more direct means involving simultaneous (conscious and subconscious) use of archetype interplay.
Knowledge of your Moon sign can inform you of your (subconscious) instinctive emotional makeup.
Knowledge of your Ascendant sign gives you the access to "archetype interplay"...our psychological persona.
Knowledge of your Sun sign sharpens and focuses your conscious perceptions.
It's simpler than you might imagine. The really hard work of observation, interpretation, and notation was performed by wise men of ancient times. Freud and Jung complicated the methods so they could claim some sort of originality. Jung was more honest (and intelligent) and gave recognition to Astrology but he too tinkered with the science to evolve his own brand. |
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Post by Hercules on Dec 10, 2017 8:09:42 GMT
Keith I would like a lesson from you on archetypes and anything you have to say about them. Please make a post You never responded to this post as you became busy, |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 11:09:15 GMT
Alright, I guess It's still not clear. I consider the zodiac signs to be superior archetypes to Freud and Jung's derived concepts. Furthermore, they can be interpreted and manipulated for personal insights and personal growth...respectively. The study of your Ascendant sign will provide you immediate feedback regarding your present status. It is a clear reflection of our personal efforts (both conscious and subconscious) at self actualization. The sign (archetype) will tell you what method and attitude has been used (by you) for identity formation all your life. With that information, you can take a close look at yourself...with new eyes.
If you do not already have information revealing your Ascendant sign, it can be gained here: www.astro.com/horoscope. Check out their "free horoscopes" which offer to give you the required data. Robert Pelletier's "Personal Portrait" is free. All you need do is give them your birth date, time, and location and you will be presented with a synopsis of your birth chart including a section on the Ascendant. I've gone further (archetype interplay replacing conventional Jungian psychology) involving a mental dialogue between the ego (Sun sign) and your instincts (Moon sign) moderated by your persona (Ascendant sign). You can progress as well...but you won't because you are trapped in your own concepts. I see no point in confining my perceptions to Jung's limited (subjective) understanding of Astrology. I suppose that sounds pretty egotistical but I'm beyond caring.
I can't spell it out any better. I'm not trying to be offensive, facetious, or sarcastic...it's just how it is. I've offered to facilitate the entire process before...the offer still stands...for anyone.
I've edited this thing several times trying to make it even more transparent and palatable. I'm sorry if I've disappointed you Herc. And Jane, you're welcome to "lurk" but I know you have a valuable two cents to contribute.
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Post by Hercules on Dec 11, 2017 7:30:21 GMT
Alright, I guess It's still not clear. I consider the zodiac signs to be superior archetypes to Freud and Jung's derived concepts. Furthermore, they can be interpreted and manipulated for personal insights and personal growth...respectively. The study of your Ascendant sign will provide you immediate feedback regarding your present status. It is a clear reflection of our personal efforts (both conscious and subconscious) at self actualization. The sign (archetype) will tell you what method and attitude has been used (by you) for identity formation all your life. With that information, you can take a close look at yourself...with new eyes.
If you do not already have information revealing your Ascendant sign, it can be gained here: www.astro.com/horoscope. Check out their "free horoscopes" which offer to give you the required data. Robert Pelletier's "Personal Portrait" is free. All you need do is give them your birth date, time, and location and you will be presented with a synopsis of your birth chart including a section on the Ascendant. I've gone further (archetype interplay replacing conventional Jungian psychology) involving a mental dialogue between the ego (Sun sign) and your instincts (Moon sign) moderated by your persona (Ascendant sign). You can progress as well...but you won't because you are trapped in your own concepts. I see no point in confining my perceptions to Jung's limited (subjective) understanding of Astrology. I suppose that sounds pretty egotistical but I'm beyond caring.
I can't spell it out any better. I'm not trying to be offensive, facetious, or sarcastic...it's just how it is. I've offered to facilitate the entire process before...the offer still stands...for anyone.
I've edited this thing several times trying to make it even more transparent and palatable. I'm sorry if I've disappointed you Herc. And Jane, you're welcome to "lurk" but I know you have a valuable two cents to contribute. You havn't dissapointed me. Thanks very much for the insightful answer. Sorry for badgering you about answering - I am just very keen to learn. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:08:55 GMT
No problem. Any specific questions? Email me.
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Post by nadalama on Dec 13, 2017 20:26:11 GMT
Keith, I appreciate the vote of confidence, but this really is an area in which I have no experience, and the reading I've done has gone into my brain and right back out again.
I actually have noticed quite a degradation in my ability to retain new factual information lately. I think it may have something to do with the fact that I've been taking Neurontin for about five years now. It actually is a bit worrisome for me considering my line of work.
I will tell you something that intrigues me is Forensic Astrology. Have to confess to a certain fascination with missing-persons crimes. Until reality TV I had no idea how frequently people go missing and are never found, and of course, the news has brought the hard facts home locally a few times in the nearly 20 years we've been living here. It would be nothing short of amazing if astrology could shed light on the recovery of missing people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 23:41:44 GMT
Hi Jane,
I understand...it's still good to talk with you.
I've often posed my statements on Astrology with this disclaimer: I don't believe one can predict the future or cheat one's fate with the use of Astrology. The same goes for locating missing persons beyond the integration of their natal chart within any investigation. I've narrowed down my conclusions regarding the science...it's only value is as a guide to potentials within your (and others) initially programmed makeup. It would be precious as a tool in evaluating a missing person's true nature but it's limitations must be recognized.
I think it's a terrible waste for anyone to overlook their natal chart as a deep insight into both their conscious motives and subconscious drives. But, keep it at that. I've seen a lot of exaggerated claims and uncorroborated theory in modern astrological lore.
We're all three people: the one we think we are, the one we really are, and the one we project (and the world "sees"). Sun, Moon, and Ascendant...respectively. If you study the traits of your signs, understand how they interact, and apply that information to an analysis of your personal history... you wake up. It was a fine day when that happened to me.
Anyway, you know me...just love to babble.
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