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Post by Hercules on Mar 25, 2017 9:32:27 GMT
What does this song mean to you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 14:45:59 GMT
Ego, perseverance, and individuality. Concepts I respect and defend. Also...Frank is the epitome of cool...you could add that. He wasn't called the "Chairman of the board" for nothing.
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Post by David on Mar 25, 2017 23:50:18 GMT
"Although this work became Frank Sinatra's signature song, his daughter Tina Sinatra says the legendary singer came to hate the song."...
"He didn't like it. That song stuck and he couldn't get it off his shoe. He always thought that song was self-serving and self-indulgent."
I go along with that!
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Post by Hercules on Mar 26, 2017 0:25:11 GMT
No david you can't not like the song I won't be having that answer! Lol
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Post by Hercules on Mar 26, 2017 8:20:11 GMT
This song means the world to me as of last night when I thought about the lyrics in depth. My 2nd breakdown and loss of my marriage happened when I chose to go back and finish my masters. The only reason I wanted to finish it was so that I wouldn't have to LIE on my resume and pretend I had attended my workplace continuously for ten years when in reality i had taken one year for unsuccessful study leave.
So I didn't want to lie. No one would have noticed if I did. I would have gotten away with it and I would have been able to keep my marriage and my sanity. (And none of you would have met me by the way).
But to keep my integrity I chose to finish my masters. I was always going to break down regardless of where I studied as I was on a weak medication at the time - Seroquel.
So I broke down but through sheer will power graduated from my studies while being extremely unwell.
Today on my resume I actually don't overtly disclose that I took two years of leaves of absences to study. But I do list the masters degree and the date so you should be able to tell I took time off to study. A bit dodgy but not really. At one point I did list my two leaves of absences one employer asked about it and hired me anyway. So I figured who cares and took it off.
Where am I going with all of this.
I would rather be a man of integrity who didn't outright lie on his resume than be happily married and living with his wife. That wife by the way is not healthy and has leukemia and other grave illnesses so that path with her would not have been all balloons and roses.
I am also in a much more satisifying job than I could have had in my old life. I also have spent the past ten years reunited with my mother after living apart from her for twenty years. She is delighted and now depends on me quite a bit.
I want to conclude with two thoughts,
I have lived life MY WAY like the song says. And that is why it is a marvellous song. It allows you to feel proud of your decisions.
Secondly about every 3 years on MT David would post a thread entitled "do things always turn out for the best?" My answer was always they haven't worked out for me so far David but perhaps in the fullness of time they will. I am starting for the first time to entertain the idea that things will work out for the best.
Not any time soon but when the scales are finally weighed up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 23:33:49 GMT
Bravo. I'm beginning to feel Liberated.
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Post by Hercules on Mar 27, 2017 7:45:44 GMT
Bravo. I'm beginning to feel Liberated. Thanks Keith.
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Post by Hercules on Mar 27, 2017 8:56:48 GMT
I Was dissapointed with my answer. It made it sound like over a principle I had sacrificed a marriage and I don't recommend that to people.
I thought more about the decision today and it was the right one. I felt paralysed with remorse and depression that I hadn't graduated, I had to go back to get closure and correct things.
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Post by David on Mar 27, 2017 22:11:12 GMT
Firstly I welcome you sharing this song for it took me back to when I was in my mid twenties a time of optimism and change for the better.
Secondly Frank Sinatra is one of my all time favorite singers. . And yes, it was so popular that it was in the charts here in the UK consecutively for seventy five weeks.
However, that was forty years plus ago and the only times I hear it over the last couple of decades or so . It is played triggered by those who are usually fueled by alcohol.... to justify thier their negative behavior towards the criticism of others affected by our decisions over time by doing it 'my way'.
In conclusion I do not dislike the singer or the music but the lyrics overtime have become implicit in dressing up wrong doing due to possible duplicity in one form or another... as an endorser/ glorification of past events that should be savored for prosperity!
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Post by David on Mar 28, 2017 5:06:24 GMT
PS., I hasten to add what I said in my last post is very much a generalized remark
and not necessarily factual about everyone who praises same...
for not everyone is as self absorbed as the message contained therein...
which lets face is open to interpretations ... for good or bad, and by definition
ambiguous to say the least, as to an individuals intent.
I say that, for doing it our/my way, at the time, is not necessarily the best way forward
when it comes to reflection after the history of events has become reality.
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Post by Hercules on Mar 28, 2017 6:58:56 GMT
I say that, for doing it our/my way, at the time, is not necessarily the best way forward when it comes to reflection after the event. In the short term not perhaps but yes in the long term. Everyone makes unique decisions but their stupid decisions are offset by incredibly insightful decisions that only they could have made. When a new cricket captain takes over our team I take him aside and say to him, don't listen to advice, just do it your way. Sometimes you will be wrong, but that will be offset by the hunches you play that only you had an insight about. If you listen to advice then it is the worst of all words, you make average decisions all the time and no outstanding decisions. As for your feedback David. Fine. I accept your examples. It sounds like you have met all sorts in your life, and if some gnarly individuals justified abusive or spiteful outward behaviour because it was "their way" then that is inexcusable. I am reminded by my favourite saying "every construct or guideline breaks down with extreme use cases". So doing it my way is the correct thing to do for 95% of people just that it doesn't hold in all cases when you think of extreme examples and extreme people. Memorise that one David let me pass on that thought to you as a gift just as it was given to me two years ago "All theories and guidelines only hold under normal parameters and break down under extreme examples" Thus we must have many guidelines at our disposal even some that contradict each other. Wasn't expecting to go so deep but you went there with me!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 9:28:30 GMT
I see...Hitler did it "his way". Somewhat on the extreme side. But, in retribution...karma probably gave him a really crappy singing voice. Life is fair after all.
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Post by Hercules on Mar 28, 2017 19:23:37 GMT
Which brings us to Godwin's law.
All theoretical discussions end up with hitler or the nazis
I am just razzing you Keith
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 3:34:28 GMT
I knew you were razzing me but I think the statement holds true in any social theorizing. Killer-wise, Stalin made Hitler look tame. Whoever starts WW III will surpass the combined evil of all the tyrants of history.
Frank for President. Vito Corleone for Secretary of State. The dream team. A cool level head at the top and a guy who can get anything anyone wants.
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