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Post by mike412 on Dec 26, 2016 23:11:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 8:23:50 GMT
Native Americans can occupy any abandoned federal facility. They have done so with lighthouses and a coast guard station near me. You would think that the same would apply to homeless people but, as he said...it's all about money. The minimal maintenance requirements could be satisfied by charitable donations...but the rich don't seem to care. Disgusting.
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Post by mike412 on Dec 27, 2016 18:37:08 GMT
Even though the place is "abandoned" it's still being guarded I guess it's still owned by somebody, maybe it will be sold to some rich Muslim like the highschool a cousin of mine went to they transformed it into a Muslim boarding school, it can be found at ducanada.org. I read about someone who went to that hospital flying their rc plane and got chased off the property by security and fined for trespassing. I think the guy doing the talking must have gotten permission maybe he works with the newspaper or was a former employee or something, you can hear at the end him being approached like yeah that's it I'm ready to go now. It's against the law in Canada to smoke in your car on government property and we have some kinda dumb laws like that you know so they can line their pockets and justify their wages. My uncle who lives in England told me it's even worse over there you have to have a license for things you wouldn't think and they hand out tickets for stupid things, I think in England you never can own land just the property you lease the land, it always belongs to the crown/country I'll look into that see if that's changed. I think a place has to be privately owned and abandoned for so long before it's up for squatters. I used to like to hang out in these old abandoned factories when I was a teenager, I heard people could be fined for going back there because the guy that owns the property owns a lot of good property too and he had made enough money to not care about those old ruins but he still owned it. I was once approached by a railway policeman who told me I was trespassing, I was walking along abandoned tracks, he let me go with a warning and told me to tell all my friends where to come if they want fines. I saw a poster of a native chief in the sky looking over the US/Canada border and he had the words come out of his mouth in the sky something like,"you took our land now it is being taken from you, you call it selling." something like that. There's a quote by Shakespeare, I'm not sure exactly how it goes but it's like, "man on land are like fish in the sea the big ones eat up the little ones." he talks about how the rich are like whales to the rest. I wonder what a Russians thoughts are when they say "pigdog". Everything counts in large amounts By: Depeche Mode www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVXADH_spOY |
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Post by David on Dec 28, 2016 14:40:11 GMT
Thank you for sharing such personal stuff with us
I found what you say educational Mike!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 4:25:18 GMT
Wow...Huge
The hospital I go to only takes 50 patients.
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Post by mike412 on Jan 2, 2017 5:59:47 GMT
 Are you talking a psychiatric institution or just a ward in the general hospital Sue? A ward in a hospital or one side of a hospital can hold 50 patients here. We have a psychiatric hospital here in London the reason I was sent to St Thomas is that they had more beds/room it's not very far, I was in the hospital for about a month just waiting to be transferred/for a bed to become available.  I still have nightmares of this place sometimes, I walked up and down those steps so many times I still smoked then and we had to go out to smoke. I was so scared when I was there I'd never get out or be there for a really long time I met patients who were there for years.  Aerial tour of former St Thomas Regional Mental Health www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHw0myVDd-s |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 18:04:54 GMT
Hi Mike
No the entire complex houses 50 patients it is a psyche hospital..it actually may be 52 or 53 if there is a major event and they open the only ward with 4 beds in it.The pdocs consulting rooms are attached via a breezeway in a separate building
We have no hospital of that size in our state...not for anything, I think the new hospital they are building for our state has 500 general beds in it....
I pay health insurance out of my pension to make sure if I become unwell I can go into this hospital, our public system let me out 12 hours after and overdose and pdoc s staff collected me and took me to the Clinic...I have had over 16 hospitalizations in 10 years, they are like family.
One ward with 50 people, thats crowd control...not healing.
I obviously live in a backwater state...our public mental health is a joke and without insurance this clinic is $1500 a day and as I pay no rent I consider it is rent...they are like family to me Mike.
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Post by mike412 on Jan 2, 2017 19:41:15 GMT
I remember the hospital in St Thomas was so well known in my area I remember hearing the insult, "you/he/she belong(s) in St Thomas". since I was a kid. They didn't mean the city they meant the hospital obviously, I remember hearing people laugh and twirling their finger around their temple, people would make fun of someone to say their crazy. I thought that while I was there and when I get out this is going to have to be my biggest secret, everyone will judge me and if I thought they thought whatever they thought about me before it was going to be worse. I thought of this song "Branded Man" by Merle Haggard but changed the words to mean I'm a mental patient instead of a former prisoner. www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3DT_-Cd_OMI wouldn't be surprised if that place was closed down due to too many complaints from patients families, lawyers and other officials or whoever. Maybe the lawsuits bankrupted them, I don't know. I had nurses talk to me just like drill sergeants, one day one woke me up by pulling the pillow under my head and screamed in my face to wake up, they'd lie in report to my dr that I didn't shower when I did and they knew I did or they'd say I was in my room all day when I made sure they saw me walking around etc. Might have gotten out sooner if not for that. I remember how they'd just lounge around all day and gossip besides at pill time, meals, they hardly talked to us just to have us go to group mostly, I remember their little meetings they'd have in the nurses room, they'd do a report daily on us, I remember trying to stand close to their room to eavesdrop on their gossiping and get yelled at to get away. Some of the male nurses were so big and intimidating I knew they could just pulverize me. I felt sometimes scared to say practically anything or they'd try to distort it to make me look bad and try to keep me there longer. I felt sometimes they were just trying to antagonize the patients on their rounds of chastising to exercise their power and get a reaction and have somebody put in seclusion they felt a sense of power over us like they could be however they wanted with us and nobody would believe it or be able to do anything about it just say he must have imagined it or they'd play dumb or whatever. I had them put me in hand restraints more than a few times for reasons like raising my voice because they wouldn't listen to me of the side effects of a pill I was taking then they had to take me off it when everything went dark and I got so dizzy I passed out in the hall covered in sweat with a really high pulse had to be put in a wheelchair and taken to emergency. I remember one day I was put on a new medication and this nurse went on about how much it was improving me, though it was the first dose I had ever been given of it and I hadn't even swallowed it yet. I guess they were kinda like family to me, an abusive family. I'd ask to be adopted or emancipated if some of those nurses we're my mother, they were my family, scary thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 20:38:28 GMT
We had a place like that here called Glenside, it had a huge high wall around it and people who went to Glenside never came out.
Fortunately Glenside was on a prime piece of real estate so the government sold it and replaced it with nothing...like I said I was carted off in an ambulance, had ivs and stomach pumped then they were going to send me home in a cab to get rid of me but my pdoc picked up the shattered pieces.
No the place I go to is a place of healing...how lucky am I.
If the doctor is late I go to the dining room and the chef who knows me cooks me a full breakfast with a cuppucino.
Thank goodness I had private insurance.
When I first went psychotic the public system terrified me...men going into womens bedrooms and you never knew who your nurse was.
The system where I go is you get ticked off for every group you go to.
I have spent 3 weeks in a dark room because I just couldnt get anything together but they kept me there until I was functioning again.
And once you are ok you can go for a supervised walk around this beautiful river.
Then when you get to the next level you can go by yourself.
It is a place of healing.
No the staff chat one on one with you twice a day, I know it is so they have something to put in their reports but at change of shift they come in and say Im your nurse for today Sue and then before they leave they will have a chat and say Jeff will be in later he will be looking after you tonight.
My doctor overdosed me on sodium valporate by accident...that was interesting, the burses panicked.
Then I had a cardiac episode there and before I knew it there was an ecg machine on my chest and a physician in attendance...it was just chronic anxiety but I felt like I was dying.
I came from an abusive family and to me this is what a home should be.
It is the only place I feel normal and accepted unconditionally.
We are here for you Mike...off to see pdoc now .Cheers
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Post by David on Jan 4, 2017 1:36:35 GMT
Hi Mike
To spend nine months in a psychiatric or any other hospital for that matter
I find difficult to get my head around....
Not to suggest I in anyway doubt the validity of what you say...
more to do with after four weeks in my local
psychiatric hospital, I became somewhat 'moribund'...
not so much from a dying state as such a word conjures up...
more being in a state of inactivity, from such a stagnant experience;
finding each day was no more productive than the last.
Mind you this was 1988 which is close on thirty years ago.
No matter what, I very much admire your tenacity in such confined / regulated environment Mike.
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Post by mike412 on Jan 4, 2017 18:34:30 GMT
I had a new patient in my room Sue who was really threatening and nasty to me one day, I told one of the nurses about it who just blamed it on my paranoia and suggested I take a PRN, later on that patient attacked one of the nurses and was put in restraints, I was afraid to go back to my room until he was out, I would have rather slept on the floor in the dining room that guy was huge and looked like he could have been a wrestler.
I hear you David,
Truth be told though I spent 6 weeks in the county jail when I was 19 and as bad as the hospital was sometimes jail was much worse, more confining and a lot worse people and I can't get my head around being in a place like that for the kind of time some people go especially repeat offenders who do stupid things and go back, how someone who's been could gamble with their time like that. They taught me my lesson anyway, I got pardoned years later. Maybe the hospital was kinda like a bird aviary but jail is like being in a fish bowl.
Not all the staff we're bad I don't mean to sound like a complete malcontent thanks to them I saw a really good psychologist, learned aversion therapy, cognitive/dialectical behavioural therapy and I met my ex who was my best friend. Some of the staff and nurses we're alright, I played board games and talked with a few of the nurses just some of them we're really bad and mean spirited, nasty and just plain horrible and you know the bad ones stick out in your memory when someone's so mean to you when your there to get help and they are getting paid, anybody would complain if they paid someone to do a job and they did it wrong you pay someone to fix your roof and it leaks you complain, anybody would.
The hospital was very large as you can see and I was allowed to walk around it, they had an exercise room, patient library where I could use the internet, cafeteria, long long hallways for pacing/walking around. You just had to check in so often or they'd send security out looking for you and you'd be confined to the ward for a while.
When you have a mental illness you have to be especially careful to stay out of trouble or they might blame your illness and make it sound worse when maybe you just made a dumb mistake like any so called normal person could. You have to just show them, the police if they bother you that your friendly and don't want any trouble. If your walking out one evening and some cop stops you and is being a prick you have to rememeber some cops are like those nurses I was talking about they try to get a rise out of someone for an excuse to use force and exercise their power but you don't give them one you give them the impression you aren't what their looking for let their rudeness pass you by think,"well you can't insult someone who thinks they are better than you." if you have to let them feel like a bigshot until they leave you alone.
"A person hears only what they understand" -Goethe
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 19:18:16 GMT
Hi Mike
Yes it is common here to be hospitalized for months on end...my first stay was about 5 months...the rest of my stays have been far less but I have psychosis and there is no way on Gods earth they are letting you out until you are well.They stopped doing share rooms at my hospital years ago...for that very reason, now you can't even have plastic bags however there is one ward you know if there is a family of work place incident otherwise it is just used for patients having ECT an overnight stay.
No I was too sick to get cabin fever plus like the hospital you stayed at we had meditation, relaxation, group meetings, a gym,church, craft and could go to a sister hospital for CBT and the like and you had to be actively participating in enough activities before you were considered for release, we also worked out how far it was to walk a kilometer in the hallways.
David I have spent 4 weeks in the hospital lying in bed in the dark after my marriage broke down and they refused to bring in meals so they would get me up and make me go to the dining room to eat.
It is very difficult if you have not experienced this to understand...the fact you were moribund suggest you had insight into your conditions and wanted better, some of us just don't want to be on this earth...perhaps it is the cultural difference but doubting what Mike says is simply perpetuating the stigma we face every day and that is sad...there are many degrees of mental illness and to be in hospital 9 months or to have over 16 hospitalizations as I have had shows the significance of the illness Mike and I face every day.
No Mike I am like you...yes sir, no sir....if I create a fuss...I can end up back in hospital...where anyone else would end up on TV being ripped of by a plumber or something...but no they immediately think here he/she goes again.
I let much pass over my head and now realize a bully is a bully regardless of what I do....my ex ripped me off 8 years wages, all I can say is he is lucky I am med compliant, my life is survival mode, I was rather well off on a wage...but I would never threaten him as I would be locked up even as though he was the one who did me over.He had a bad fall in May from the top of a double storey building...I told pdoc, his first words were...were you there, I said no karma was though....
When pdoc asked if the childrens father was leaving from my place for my daughters wedding...I said only if it is in a box...he just about fell off his chair laughing....however if I had said that to a pdoc who had not known me for a decade I would have ended up in hospital....I kill spiders...I catch fish...that is the extent of my killing...I rescue, dogs, cats anything injured...I am not an evil person however the illness I have only gets news time when some one goes psychotic and murders someone...the other 98 % of the time those with this illness that suicide arent newsworthy.
I have a facebook feed full of Buddhist and sufi teachings as well as mental health pages....so every day I fill my cup with positive thoughts so when I find some one who wants to be a big shot I see there ego in action and let them have their moment...it rarely impacts on me now.
I think we have come a long way Mike.
Hey Mike one night a patient got drunk and fell through a wall as he was walking, so the nest day I see this psychologist and say I saw a man walk through a wall last night and she said, do you see him very often...lol...I said only last night and the groundsman is up there fixing the wall now.
See people think we are nutz when we report reality.
Nice to chat.
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Post by mike412 on Jan 5, 2017 20:28:09 GMT
Hi Sue,
I just see my gp now because the psychiatrist I had decided to refer me back to him. I think Lynn from MT had a few dr's that did the same thing, it's common here I've heard for reasons like they have so many patients they have to lighten their caseload/surplus of patients, whatever I don't know. I guess an American could just be like,"oh well you know you get what you pay for." I've had 3 psych's and they weren't much different just wanna get you in get you out their short with you and kinda tactless act kinda uninterested I guess, they fax a script to the drugstore(now they do that) ask a few basic questions give you 5-10 mins of their time maybe half of it's filling out a bloodwork form and send you off to get that done every 3 months or so unless they go on vacation then they'll reschedule and fax your pharmacy they see you for a year or two then get rid of you back to the gp and you say the slight wrong thing get admitted or your dose raised I remember telling my dr about side effects I was having from a medication like people suggest,"tell your doctor" so I did and he just thought it made sense to raise the dose. Then I ended up in the hospital months later for a med change. I remember being in the general hospital seeing my psych early in the morning they'd wake me up he'd do his rounds and talk to you for a few minutes then go onto his next patient.
I've wondered why some people get into mental health who do I've come up with reasons like they want the easiest job that pays the most money, I think for a lot of them the most work they ever did was going to school to study to get the job once they have it they hardly do anything. That or they want a job where they can be abusive to people and have no consequence. They have a job where they are supposed to help people but they are more interested in helping themselves, they put money before people.
I had to go before the review board and hire a lawyer to get out of that place, when I first went in my dr he wanted me to think I was going in voluntarily and it was gonna be great, one of the things he told me is that if I could give him a FEW months of my life and that meant I'd never have to go back to the hospital it would be worth it. I saw him once a week via tv satellite interview for a few minutes he was hardly interested in what I had to say it was more like a briefing telling me what's what.
So there I was thinking I was there voluntarily for a few months and after I completed all the programs and groups I'd be released no reason for me to be there that's what they told me and I thought alright I think I'm gonna sign myself out now but when I tried they called my dr and he said if I tried to leave I'd be made involuntarily and they'd take away my "privileges" be confined to the ward and I smoked so I couldn't have that and when I went to the review board they told me if I lost I couldn't have another one for a few months and some other bad news but if I won which I did my dr would discharge me as a patient they viewed it like I was going against the doctor. So when I got out I didn't even have a psychiatrist he just wrote me a script and wrote me off, I had to go see my family doctor who referred me to another one.
I think it's really something you get so much help with your mental health where you live, over here it's like for the mostpart they just warehouse you or discharge you. Other Canadians I'm sure could vouch for me and say the same thing. |
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Post by David on Jan 5, 2017 21:29:18 GMT
Until thirty years ago we had large 'mental hospitals' catering
for up to fifteen hundred patients
and were referred to as asylums by many.
However, they were scaled down and are now known as psychiatric units
with something like thirty beds for inpatients.
mostly attached to general hospitals.
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Post by mike412 on Jan 5, 2017 23:19:23 GMT
It's like that here too David, we still have psychiatric institutions just not like they used to, it's mostly short term like you say a ward with around 30 beds in the general hospital. Mostly thanks to modern medicine. They try to get people who need more care into group homes and such after a stay if they need it. I might be the only person you'll ever talk to from my neck of the woods who's been in a long term facility, at least of my age range. With my cognitive skills. I can thank them more for helping me with my mind more than I can complain what some put me through. Maybe it's the English in me that has me look on the bright side of things and count my blessings. There are some very good and caring people in mental health I don't mean to sound like they are all bad most aren't just some really are you know there's priests of all people who are pedophiles it's a sick sad world in some ways but also such a beautiful world in others. Not much shocks me anymore but beauty and greatness. I'm not sure the difference what they used to call an asylum or a sanitarium, I think an asylum is where they sent what they referred to as the criminally insane and a sanitarium where someone went who just was ill for treatment. They still have mental institutions in Britain just not as many like us according to my research. You may have passed by some old building and not known what it was. I'm planning on watching this video I'm posting when I find some more time maybe you'd like to also Inside Britain's highest security Psychiatric hospital www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-G5mC5WTDY"No matter how I struggle and strive I'll never get out of this world alive" -Hank Williams |
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